Are new NFL penalties for kneeling purely about the bottom line?
2018-05-23 00:00:00


JUDY WOODRUFF: After two seasons of protestsduring the national anthem, and a debate that's(1)
JUDY WOODRUFF:在国歌期间举行了两个赛季的抗议之后,还有一场辩论

been fueled by President Trump, the NFL tooka stand today against taking a knee on the(2)
被特朗普总统推波助澜,美国国家橄榄球联盟今天采取了立场,反对在这场比赛中膝盖受伤

field.(3)
领域。

Amna Nawaz looks at the reaction and whatmay be behind the decision.(4)
Amna Nawaz着眼于这一反应以及决定背后的原因。

AMNA NAWAZ: Judy, some players began takinga knee to call attention to police brutality(5)
AMNA NAWAZ:朱迪,一些球员开始膝盖提醒注意警察的暴力行为

and racial inequality in America.(6)
和美国的种族不平等。

The silent protest began with quarterbackColin Kaepernick, who has yet to be signed(7)
沉默的抗议开始于四分卫Colin Kaepernick,他尚未签约

by an NFL team since the season before last.(8)
由NFL球队自上赛季以来。

Today, NFL owners voted for a new policy requiringany players or team personnel who are on the(9)
今天,NFL所有者投票选出了一项新政策,要求所有在场的球员或球队人员

field to -- quote -- "stand and show respectfor the flag and the anthem."(10)
现场报价 - “站立并尊重国旗和国歌。”

Players who don't wish to do so can stay inthe locker room during the national anthem.(11)
那些不想这样做的球员可以在国歌期间留在更衣室里。

But if they choose to kneel or sit on thefield, their teams will be fined, and the(12)
但是,如果他们选择跪下或坐在场上,他们的球队将被罚款,而球队将被罚款

teams can then penalize their players.(13)
然后球队可以惩罚他们的球员。

The policy comes after months of public criticismof players who kneel from President Trump.(14)
这项政策是经过数月公开批评特朗普总统跪下的球员之后出现的。

Here's how NFL commissioner Roger Goodellexplained the changes today.(15)
以下是NFL委员罗杰古德尔如何解释今天的变化。

ROGER GOODELL, National Football League Commissioner:Clearly, our objective as a league and to(16)
ROGER GOODELL,国家橄榄球联盟专员:显然,我们的目标是作为联赛和

all 32 clubs, which was unanimous, is thatwe want people to be respectful to the national(17)
所有32个俱乐部一致认为,我们希望人们尊重国家

anthem.(18)
国歌。

We want people to stand.(19)
我们希望人们站起来。

We think that we have come up with a balancedprocess here and a procedure and policy that(20)
我们认为我们在这里提出了一个平衡的过程,并制定了一个程序和政策

will allow those players who feel that theycan't stand for the anthem to stay in the(21)
会让那些觉得自己无法忍受歌声留守的球员留下

locker room.(22)
更衣室。

And there's no penalty for that.(23)
而且这没有任何处罚。

But we are going to encourage all of themto be on the field, we'd like for them all(24)
但我们会鼓励他们全部在场上,我们希望为他们所有

to be on the field, and stand at attention.(25)
在场上,并立即关注。

AMNA NAWAZ: The NFL Players Union said itwasn't consulted by the owners about the new(26)
AMNA NAWAZ:美国国家橄榄球联盟球员联盟表示,没有向业主咨询有关新的事宜

policy, and called it contradictory to the-- quote -- "principles, values and patriotism(27)
政策,并称这与“引用”原则,价值观和爱国主义相矛盾

of our league."(28)
我们的联盟。“

We asked the union to appear tonight, as wellas several players.(29)
我们要求工会今晚和几名球员出场。

They declined our invitation, as did the NFL.(30)
他们拒绝了我们的邀请,NFL也是如此。

Some perspective now on this from L.Z.(31)
现在对LZ的一些看法

Granderson, who is a co-host for ESPN's "SportsNation"and a political commentator for CNN.(32)
格兰德森,谁是ESPN的“SportsNation”的共同主持人和CNN的政治评论员。

L.Z., thanks for being here.(33)
LZ,谢谢你在这里。

Let me ask you now about the timeline.(34)
现在让我问你关于时间表的问题。

Colin Kaepernick first took a knee in 2016.(35)
Colin Kaepernick在2016年第一次膝盖受伤。

President Trump first started criticizingthe protests in 2017.(36)
特朗普总统首先开始批评2017年的抗议活动。

Why now, in May of 2018, are the NFL ownersand the league taking this decision?(37)
为什么现在,在2018年5月,NFL的所有者和联盟是否做出这个决定?

L.Z.(38)
LZ

GRANDERSON, ESPN: Because they believe thereis some correlation between the criticism(39)
GRANDERSON,ESPN:因为他们认为批评之间有一些相关性

of Colin Kaepernick and the protesting andtheir bottom line.(40)
Colin Kaepernick和抗议活动及其底线。

The NFL is still the juggernaut when it comesto American sports, both financially and as(41)
美国橄榄球联盟对于美国体育来说依然是经济上和经济上的主宰

well in terms of visibility, but it has dippeda little bit.(42)
以及在可见度方面,但已经下降了一点点。

And owners feel that the protests isn't helpingthem from a business perspective, never mind(43)
业主们认为,抗议活动无助于他们从商业的角度来看,没关系

the fact that the NFL was already dippingprior to the protests.(44)
在抗议活动之前,NFL已经淹没了。

This allows them to point all of the issuesthat the league has been having with fans(45)
这让他们可以指出联盟与球迷的所有问题

on this one particular player and this oneparticular issue.(46)
在这一个特定的球员和这一个特定的问题。

AMNA NAWAZ: L.Z., we know the owners havebeen concerned about the attacks from President(47)
AMNA NAWAZ:LZ,我们知道业主一直关注总统的袭击

Trump as well.(48)
特朗普也是如此。

Was this a political decision or purely abusiness one?(49)
这是一个政治决定还是纯粹的企业?

L.Z.(50)
LZ

GRANDERSON: I believe it is purely business.(51)
大人物:我相信这完全是商业。

These owners are -- many of them are multibillionaires.(52)
这些业主是 - 他们中的许多人是亿万富翁。

And most of their motives are financiallydriven.(53)
他们的大部分动机都是由财务驱动的。

Many of them give donations to both parties.(54)
他们中的很多人都向双方捐款。

Many of them have supported candidates ofboth parties.(55)
他们中的很多人都支持双方的候选人。

And so they aren't necessarily being marriedto the Republican Party or the Democratic(56)
所以他们不一定会嫁给共和党或民主党

Party.(57)
派对。

But they definitely seem to be married tomoney.(58)
但他们肯定似乎与钱结了婚。

AMNA NAWAZ: L.Z., let me ask you.(59)
AMNA NAWAZ:LZ,让我问你。

Now, there are folks out there who will say,we're not saying that the issues that the(60)
现在,有些人会说,我们并不是说那些问题

players want addressed here aren't worth addressing,we're glad the owners met with players privately,(61)
玩家想要在这里解决是不值得处理的,我们很高兴业主私下会见了球员,

we're glad they agreed to donate tens of millionsof dollars to those causes, we just don't(62)
我们很高兴他们同意为这些原因捐赠数千万美元,但我们却没有

want politics on the field.(63)
希望在该领域的政治。

What do you say to those folks?(64)
你对这些人说什么?

L.Z.(65)
LZ

GRANDERSON: Stop playing the national anthem.(66)
大人物:停止播放国歌。

It's that simple.(67)
就这么简单。

AMNA NAWAZ: It's as simple as that?(68)
AMNA NAWAZ:就这么简单?

L.Z.(69)
LZ

GRANDERSON: The national anthem is politicizingsports.(70)
大人物:国歌将体育政治化。

And, oh, by the way, if you really are concernedabout respecting or disrespecting the flag,(71)
顺便说一句,如果你真的担心尊重或不尊重国旗,

then perhaps you should probably refamiliarizeyourself with the U.S. flag code, because(72)
那么也许你应该再次熟悉美国的国旗代码,因为

you will see multiple violations that theNFL and other leagues, as a matter of fact,(73)
你会看到NFL和其他联赛的多次违规,事实上,

do in terms of how the flag is to be treated.(74)
按照如何处理国旗的方式来做。

We aren't supposed to be having football uniformswith flags on them.(75)
我们不应该在他们身上挂上带有旗帜的足球制服。

We aren't supposed to be having a flag laiddown flat.(76)
我们不应该有一个平坦的旗帜。

We aren't supposed to be having the flag ontickets or on beer cans and things of that(77)
我们不应该在门票或啤酒罐和其他东西上拥有国旗

nature, all these things that you can findin an NFL stadium.(78)
大自然,所有这些你可以在NFL球场找到的东西。

So if you really want to stick to the ruleof law about disrespecting the flag, then(79)
所以,如果你真的想坚持法治关于不尊重国旗的话,那么

let's be authentic with it.(80)
让我们真实与它。

I tend to think it's more about what the playersare protesting than the actual protest itself.(81)
我倾向于认为这更多的是球员抗议的内容,而不是实际的抗议本身。

AMNA NAWAZ: So, L.Z., what would have beena better solution or better step, in your(82)
AMNA NAWAZ:所以,LZ,在你的体验中,更好的解决方案或更好的步骤是什么?

mind, for the owners and the league to take?(83)
介意,为业主和联盟采取?

L.Z.(84)
LZ

GRANDERSON: Be honest.(85)
大人物:说实话。

You know, stop trying to pretend as if youtruly do care about the issues that the players(86)
你知道,不要试图假装你真的关心球员的问题

are protesting, and tell the truth, that webelieve these protests are hurting our bottom(87)
正在抗议,说实话,我们认为这些抗议活动正在伤害我们的底线

line, we're a business, we're a private business,and so we're making a business policy to help(88)
线,我们是一个企业,我们是一个私人企业,所以我们正在制定一个商业政策来帮助

make sure our bottom line doesn't suffer anymore.(89)
确保我们的底线不再受到影响。

But certainly don't tell us that you're doingthis out of some respect for the flag, or(90)
但是肯定不要告诉我们,你是出于对国旗的尊重而做这件事,或者

that you're doing this, but we still supportwhat the players are concerned with, because(91)
你正在这样做,但我们仍然支持球员关心的事情,因为

you don't issue a ban like this in the sameweek that we're bracing ourselves to see video(92)
你不会在同一周发布这样的禁令,我们正在准备观看视频

of an NBA player being Tased in Milwaukee,reportedly for no reason.(93)
据报无缘无故的一名NBA球员在密尔沃基被定格。

Those two things -- just doesn't seem to addup to me.(94)
这两件事 - 似乎没有加起来给我。

AMNA NAWAZ: L.Z., it's hard to that the tensionswill go down from this.(95)
AMNA NAWAZ:LZ,这种紧张局势很难消除。

We already have seen Vice President Penceweigh in on Twitter with the hashtag #winning(96)
我们已经看到副总统潘斯在推特上用#号标签来衡量

and a headline about this decision.(97)
和关于这个决定的标题。

We have also seen players start to weigh in,Chris Long among them, saying he will continue(98)
我们也看到球员开始沉溺其中,Chris Long在他们中间说他会继续

to use his platform to call attention to thethings he thinks is important.(99)
利用他的平台唤起人们对他认为重要的事情的关注。

Look, the preseason starts this summer.(100)
看,季前赛从今年夏天开始。

Do you think players are going to protest?(101)
你认为球员会抗议吗?

What do you think the fallout from this isgoing to be?(102)
你认为这将会是什么影响?

L.Z.(103)
LZ

GRANDERSON: Well, Amna, there's two fundamentalflaws in this new policy.(104)
大人物:Amna,这个新政策有两个基本缺陷。

Number one, there's no clear definition ofwhat it means to violate or disrespect the(105)
第一,对违反或不尊重这个词意味着什么没有明确的定义

flag.(106)
旗。

But number two is that there's an option fora player not to actually come to the field(107)
但是第二个是,有一个球员不能真正来到球场的选择

during the national anthem.(108)
在国歌期间。

Now, if you are a reporter looking on thesideline and you happen to notice that several(109)
现在,如果你是一名记者,并且偶然注意到这一点

players are missing, you're still going toask the same very questions that were being(110)
球员不见了,你仍然会问同样的问题

asked the past two seasons about, why aren'tyou there, why are you protesting?(111)
问过去两个赛季,你为什么不在那里,你为什么抗议?

And the issue doesn't go away.(112)
问题不会消失。

This is the reason the NFL owners' cowardicesort of bites them in the butt, if you will,(113)
这就是美国橄榄球联盟老板的懦弱让他们陷入尴尬的原因,如果你愿意的话,

because they didn't solve the problem.(114)
因为他们没有解决问题。

They just made a bigger problem.(115)
他们只是造成了更大的问题。

AMNA NAWAZ: L.Z.(116)
AMNA NAWAZ:LZ

Granderson, thanks for your time.(117)
格兰德森,谢谢你的时间。

L.Z.(118)
LZ

GRANDERSON: Thank you for having me.(119)
大人:谢谢你的邀请。


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